Friday, June 4

grid.org Forums - Daily Topics

grid.org Forums - Daily Topics...... This page, used to be the page i frequent the most, more than any other in the history of web surfing one might say. At least, in the history of my web surfing. Every so often, my habbits on the computer, mostly the sites i check on, the ones i read, the news i care about and the stuff i ignore. Well, it changes, i find new links, delete old ones... Stuff falls into the past and will never return. This is strange really, and over time, you gather more and more links, all of which become equally important. But sadly, this one no longer is. I wont delete it yet, for all might be fixed, but i think not, i think as i explain, you will also come to understand why i have no more faith in this.

This link, is to a forum. The forum is part of a project, to hopefully help find a cure to cancer, and other desises which effect humanity. I think this project and all projects like it are a great idea. Im not at all saying that no one should not try to take part, nor am i saying that any one project is better than another. I am just stating my reasons for change, and what has caused this. I strongly urge anyone that likes the idea of helping out humanity to either contact me, or look @ the links i provide (or just search google.) and at least then, if they feel that they would also like to join in something, so great that i cannot still comprehend how far some people go to do this.
I now hear a question being asked "what is this project he speaks of?", well the project i did personally was run from a site called grid.org and basicly it run a small client on your computer.
This client uses idle CPU time (i.e. unused computer power, and only unused power. this will NOT lag your machine), to do mathmatical computions. It works through blocks of data, looking for patterns or other signs (each project is different) and when its finished, it sends the data back. This is a very simple explaination and more infomation can be found on the site where the project is run from.

For over two years i ran this project, on over 30 machines *(totaling about 5years cpu time)*, at the same time as running the project, i was a member of the forum. This forum was hosted by the company that produced the software. Now, on the forum there was a constant battle going on... basicly there was people asking for a linux port of the software, so they could run it on their own linux machines (its currently windows only). It seems that everytime someone requested a linux port they were shot down for even concidering the idea. This annoyed me some what, but the comany that owns the client we run, we have to bow down to them dont we?....

So two years later, 5years of cpu time later.... Something weird starts happening with my clients, they keep going strangly wrong. I dont know why, but they just keep aborting over and over again. Over the 2years, many times had this come up on the forum, most of the time it would be worked out, someone would be overheating their machine, some dodgy ram etc. Normal problems which dont effect the adverage pc user.... but sometimes, this would happen, and no matter how much we tried, in the end, the only answer we got was "well it sometimes happens and we dont know why"... I know, as a programmer and long term computer user that this isn't possible. There is no program, (except one which writes random code) which would cause a problem so erratic that no one could fix it).

It was this "theory" from UD (the company that created the client) that got me thinking. Why bother creating something and then not really supporting it? Why create it so that it could only really be used by a small propition of the amount of people who wish to use it? I sadly only came up with one answer and that was, when the press look at them. No matter what, they will be connected, the fact this company created and runs a cancer research project... And we all know how much that effects people.

its quite possible that they cannot afford to fix the client, but if this is true, make it open source, make it so we, the users can fix it. And dont tell us any more excuses, because finally, we have had enough.


BTW at the moment i am currently running Seti, a project which is basicly looking for aliens, i know it wont save lifes but at least if this dont work, i can get it fixed. Until i find a project better supported than Grid.org. (i have tried folding@home and find-a-drug too.)


peace out all.

3 comments:

Anonymous said...

Sorry to read about your trouble and your choice to leave, smiley. You'll be missed (have been, actually) in the forums. and I mean by me, at least.

JohnQ118

Anonymous said...

Sorry you had such a lousy time. Miss your posts. I sympathize as I finally had to pull UD off my old Win 98 laptop. One of those "can't be explained" problems.
Come talk to us occasionally?
Ghost Plane

Anonymous said...

Hey DJ...

i too am sorry you have had such troubles with your UD client...

it is not entirely clear how/ why you feel its the software that is the cause of your issues...this aborting...does this mean you cant get anything crunched...or are you having issues connecting to the servers?

you used it for 2 years error free...does this issue affect all 30 machines?...only certain ones? what do they have in common...was it suddenly all machines went down...or was it a gradual degridation to total shutdown?

so why is the software the issue? Did you try to reinstall UD? did you completely remove it before hand including any traces of folders or registry keys ect? sometimes this sort of uninstall requires hand tweaking of windows? You mentioned you are a programmer so I will assume you have reviewed all of these options...the question is did you possibly miss something?

what are the common factors in the machines that dont work now? others had hardware issues that resolved probmatic ud issues...what hardware changes have you made over that 2 year period? what new software has been added to these machines since? not just games or productivity, but utilities and the like...firewalls, antivirus, spyware hunters, tweaks to get the most from a system...

what windows updates have been recently applied? did you manually select any all of these or did you let it do it automatically? I can remember an issue with windows update software...that of course MS never admitted was the prob...but a new version of the update software seemed to fix things...and those who never got the updates had different issues with the site...the common fact there was the update site...well, it seemed to fix all the systems that hadnt been hacked beyond repair by people trying anything under the sun...

and lets not forget to mention is your system overclocked? what sort of goofy bug might have creeped up in there? I am sure you can explain in detail the answer to most of these questions...I dont need them...I am just wondering if you have asked yourself all of them...

ud is likely where you noticed the issue as you used it so much...hell i log onto ud/ stats/ forums several times a day if i can...

as far as 'normal pc users' ...define normal? i would hardly say a linux user is the norm...there is no such thing as a norm in the world of PC's...i am no expert or programmer mind you...but i do agree with you that there should be a reasonable 'answer' to find...

and yes sometimes people do throw up there arms and say "I dont know"...lets not forget they said 'we dont know'...to many software company's play point the finger right out of the gate...windows being one of them! Also keep in mind most of those are volunteers and time is money...none of which we have paid any for said software...you do not have to be an 'expert' to suggest a 'fix' for someone on the forums...so i dont know might not be the best 'expert' advice available...hopefully someone with more experience will catch a blunder in a post and correct it...but again it is volunteers and randomly viewed by different people each day...even the 'mods' are limited in the knowledge of every subject...

if you look on grids forums you can see I question quirky stuff as well...but i am not sure a public stand against UD / grid research is the stance I would have taken...who is this helping? not you...certainly not cancer research [or whatever research is contracted to UD]...you are certainly entitled to your opinion...but remember people come here and read what you wrote and you are now influencing them as well...your influence is much stronger than you probably realize...you do attempt to 'remain nuetral' in your blog but i think you come across more on the negative side...just some food for thought

as for people slamming a request for a linux version, or any idea for that matter, we must remember one thing...the best thing about the internet is anyone can use it...the worst thing about the internet is anyone can use it. You have to learn to take ANY info or comments w a grain of salt...EVERYONE is entitled to their thoughts...just as you are yours...a thought that comes to mind with out even reading a linux thread...how many times has that question been asked/ and answered already...over and over...and so there might have been some quick to snap answers regarding that topic...I see that sort of thing all the time in forums...

I have never gotten the impression I needed to bow down to UD...in fact while cruising the UD site..it was quite clear to me that they are running a business which will do crunching type research...most business get paid for work...sure some publicity always helps...

as for "There is no program which would cause a problem so erratic that no one could fix it." Again we need to look at software/ hardware interactions...the issue is not that the problem cant be fixed...it is that it has not yet been identified...BIG difference! I would have to say the support is there...maybe just not as good as we would like it...again 'volunteers' are a huge part of it...which is where the forums come in to play....UD can access them at any point for feedback....hence the 'suggestions' and 'issues' catagories...I will assume you have posted in the appropiate areas regarding your issues....

I would have to say UD software is one of the most widely used programs from the PR i have seen...not a fact...just my guess...so I dont think its limited to 'a small propition of the amount of people who wish to use it'. I dont think UD or Grid.org are merely using this link to cancer as a PR stunt as you conclude. We the users do a huge part of the PR for this company. links from home pages... our own websites...links from profiles and sigantures...word of mouth...ect ect ect...so i fail to see the evil 'big brother' at work here...just not buying that

open source...well...they own it...what they choose to do with it is up to them...i wouldnt want someone telling me what I should do with my stuff...would you as a programmer?

as for the collective "we" who are fed up...what sort of percentages would you say are also uninstalling UD? dont they have millions of worldwide users? numbers dont mean much...percentages do... what percentage have gotten fed up and left? considering it that way...is UD's software really that horrible when compared with main stream stuff we pay big bucks for?

Seti has a perfect support system? how did this become so perfect...thru trial and error i imagine...which means it has broke over time...and as you said "if it breaks'...doesn't sound so perfect to me...I would rather crunch with trouble for ud than crunch for any other project because they are working on bettering life for those of us here and now...again ...just my thoughts

Hopefully you can resolve your issues and feel welcome to return to grid.org soon...i think you know you would be welcome by the many friends you have made over the last 2 years...

thanks for your time,

ShadowMasterCM {Craig}

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